I heard that Villepinte exhibition site in northern Paris, near CDG airport, is now too expensive to hire. You may find something in Chartres, about 80 kms SW of Paris, last WE of july. A JW hall has been built there for small assemblies.
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France: Congresses in summer 2008
by vril inhello, i will be in france in july
does anybody know where they have assemblies?
thanks you for feedback
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EMPTY KINGDOM HALL
by thebigdebate ini have heard from my father (who is an elder about 50 years old) that there is a great seperating work going on within the org.
he said that almost all of the people my age 25 to 35 have quit going to our hall (about 20 people).
i have not been to a meeting in about 1 year.
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aligot ripounsous
Ten years ago, our small 50 publishers congregation (had dwindled from about 75 since mid eighties), in Paris area, merged with the neighbouring 70 or so cong. So, during the first few months we could hardly find seats at meetings, everybody was so eager to meet new members, and maybe new potential mates. Now we are back to about 60 attendants on WE meetings, must be even less midweek. The society has replenished attendance by means of a foreign speaking group, nice folks btw. In addition to regular attrition (death, DFing, DAing), one reason for this shrinking evolution is the cost of accommodation near the center of big cities and, as soon as couples have children they look for larger and cheaper flats or houses on the outskirts of the agglomeration, possibly evaporating in the process.
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You know, I've yet to meet a JW who can explain this
by Lady Zombie ini know that has probably been covered ad infinitum on jwd.
so...... if jehovah is omnipotent, then there is nothing he can't do and nothing he doesn't know.. and, according to jws (as well as most other religions), god is love.
therefore he had to have known, even before creating all of creation, what would happen.
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What nobody knows is how the two ends of each one of these ropes meet in the middle :
the first one : omniscient god on one side, man's freedom on the other
the second one : loving god on one side, man's misery on the other
And still the believer (I for one) wants to believe in the validity of each single end. No real alternative choice apart from absurd life
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I'm leaving on a jet plane!
by purplesofa inin a few hours.. to a new life, a new adventure.. thanks to the board for helping me to get to the place i am now in life.. it feels great...it's taken alot of time, thinking, pain, overcoming fears, communication and a good dose of reality.. believe me, .
it's been worth all of it.. hope everyone has a great life.. purps.
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Enjoy life, Purps, and may the desires of your heart be fulfilled.
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well, children are mature enough to take a stand in behalf of the kingdom
by aligot ripounsous ini heard this morning the "who will be saved (n 126) " public talk.
the speaker raised the point of age baptism and he confirmed what has been pointed out a couple of times on this board, namely that, according to a trend which seems to be fairly recent within the wts, people don't have to be adults to decide they want to become jws and get baptism.
the only two examples which the speaker selected were 2 children : manaseh who, at age 12, promoted idolatry, and king yoshia who restored jehovah's worship as soon as he came to power at age 8 !
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aligot ripounsous
Blondie's archives show that the WTS's stand about getting baptized at a tender age isn't that new and, true, we heard it in the past. Still, what was really chocking in that talk was the fact that no examples other than children were offered. I'll ask the speaker whether it was his own choice or if those examples were the only ones set out in the outlines, which in the latter case would make it a much more serious case of children indoctrination.
Heathen's argument is a potent one : what gives meaning to baptism is repentance from past sins. Now what serious sins is a child expected to repent from ? Reminds me of the episode where Barbara Grizzuti (who reports that she was baptized at age 9) felt that she had to repent from some serious sin and she indeed confessed one to an inquiring elder . Here is the hilarious passage which will no doubt drive those who don't know Visions of Glory into reading it.
One night shortly after my conversion, a visiting elder of the congregation, as he was avuncularly tucking me into bed, asked me if I was guilty of performing evil practices with my hands under the covers at night. I was puzzled. He was persistent. Finally, I thought I understood. And I burst into wild tears of self-recrimination. Under the covers at night, I bit my cuticles-a practice which, in fact, did afford me a kind of sensual pleasure. (I didn't learn about masturbation-which the Witnesses call "idolatry, "because "the masturbator's affection is diverted away from the Creator and is bestowed upon a coveted object" [TW, Sept. 15, 1973, p. 568], until much later.)
So, having confessed to a sin I hadn't known existed, I was advised of the necessity for keeping one's body pure from sin; cold baths were recommended. I couldn't see the connection, but one never questioned the imperatives of an elder, so I subjected my impure body to so many icy baths in midwinter that I began to look like a bleached prune. My mother thought I was demented. But I couldn't tell her that I'd been biting my cuticles, because to have incurred God's wrath-and to see the beady eye of the elder steadfastly upon me at every religious meeting I went to-was torment enough.
Alas, poor kid, but I'm sure Barbara must still be laughing about the event in her grave.
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well, children are mature enough to take a stand in behalf of the kingdom
by aligot ripounsous ini heard this morning the "who will be saved (n 126) " public talk.
the speaker raised the point of age baptism and he confirmed what has been pointed out a couple of times on this board, namely that, according to a trend which seems to be fairly recent within the wts, people don't have to be adults to decide they want to become jws and get baptism.
the only two examples which the speaker selected were 2 children : manaseh who, at age 12, promoted idolatry, and king yoshia who restored jehovah's worship as soon as he came to power at age 8 !
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I heard this morning the "Who will be saved (n° 126) " public talk. The speaker raised the point of age baptism and he confirmed what has been pointed out a couple of times on this board, namely that, according to a trend which seems to be fairly recent within the WTS, people don't have to be adults to decide they want to become JWs and get baptism. The only two examples which the speaker selected were 2 children : Manaseh who, at age 12, promoted idolatry, and king Yoshia who restored Jehovah's worship as soon as he came to power at age 8 !
I must grow old, can't keep up with new lights and understanding. Last time I conducted a Bible study with someone, I emphasized that Jesus was baptized at age 30 and I thought that it was the standard JW line. This morning, Jesus example wasn't even mentioned, now I understand that with these new 30 min talks the speaker clings closely to the outlines provided by the WTS. The conclusion is, Jesus is an outdated model to young christians, the future belongs to kids !
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Gone full circle...time to say bye
by digderidoo ini feel at the moment to keep posting on this site is doing me no good.
i used to post here many years ago and came across many things jw related that made me feel angry towards the way i was brought up.
in particular the 607 issue and the generation change.
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Digderidoo,
My first thoughts are to wish you the best in your endeavour to overcome your drinking problem. As I can see it from various testimonies, it's not an easy task and a little encouragement, even from a stranger, won't harm. Good success to you and if some relationship to Jehovah remains with you, approach Him, He knows what we are made of.
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Where is the problem , even to a JW ? Clovis died in 511 CE.
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Problem in the Watchtower - poem
by Gordy ini came across this on another website.. problems in the watchtower.
we have a policy, the watchtower say.
that protects our children every day.
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Thanks, Gordy, I keep it aside to let some friends read it. I assume, since there has been no reaction to this thread, that this poem is well known already. Thanks anyway .
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Blondie's birthday
by aligot ripounsous ini know, apostate practice, wish you the best, good health and please give us many wt comments, blondie.
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I would happily have joined in AaG's thread about Blondie's birthday on the previous page but, for some mysterious reason, that latter page didn't appear on my screen, any more than this present one, for more than one day and all of a sudden they came out late yesterday evening. Funny technical phenomenon, indeed.